I guess Olds baler is the only one that will do it and his hay is so good it s all the neighbors critters will eat . Questions? It didn't help as well that the guy didn't keep up on maintenance either. How many round bales can you get per acre? - TeachersCollegesj I baled for a customer who would regularly bale 3 cuttings of 80-100 small squares plus the first cutting of 3 rolls every year but he fertilized for it. Pretty sure I could move more bales than them with my semi if the haul got much over 10 miles away. And here in Texas farmers can haul that wide with no permits, and the commercial guys will have annual overwidth permits. proof right there. 518 Farm House Lane There is no way a chain baler will pack them that tight.Until I see a weight slip I will not believe it. [/quote Makes sense -- When you increase the width, you are increasing one dimension. We only get one cutting a year. So things such as bale size,type of hay,moisture content and what kind of PRESSURE and amount of it will determine weight of a rd bale. Thus, the value of a ton of stover can be equated to the value of 1.16 tons of mixed hay, minus the value of 0.22 tons of DDGS. Neighbor did a bunch for me last week, but I've been calling them 5(wide)x6's(diameter), not 6x5's. volume (cuft) = (pie x radius square) x length volume = 3.14 x 9 x 5 volume = 141.3 cu/ft Radius is 1/2 of the diameter. Not trying to be a smarta$$ but you have no idea what your talking about. I want something with knives in it for baleage, but I also want to be able to do bulkier stuff like stalks and straw with it too. 648/40=16.2, or 16 small square bales per day. You'd have to haul 5 1/2 loads to equal my one. I do have a Notch 8 bale gooseneck hay trailer I occasionally use to move hay between farms or if I should buy some hay. How many acres can you round bale in an hour? If cattle remove 1,500 pounds of stover during the grazing season, that is the equivalent of 1.25 bales. The current record is somewhere around 150 bales per hour last I knew. This is coastal bermuda hay in North Alabama. Take 4 of your 5 ft diameter by 4 ft long bales at random from around your hay field, load on trailer, take to town, and weigh them, divide by 4 to get the ACTUAL weight per round bale. It literally takes the same amount of time to load a bale, haul a bale, and unload/stack the bale. How Many Square Bales Per Acre - Yard and Garden Guru Now you can sleep. I figure the alfalfa bales are right around a ton, as the front of my 7600 comes off the ground REAL easy. As a general rule, she suggested that square bales will need a footprint of 10 to 15 square feet for every ton of hay, and for round bales, 16 to 24 square feet will be required for every ton stored. In addition, extra nutrients removed by harvesting must be replaced for future crops. Okay and thanks for your input! Dont have to strap a semi trailer with racks either. We pick up fewer bales and have to haul fewer Home. Table 4 compares the number of trips per acre required to move various size bales if 11,000 pounds of forage is produced per acre during the hay season. http://cancade.com/product-lineup/grain/round-bale-hauling-equipmen 1AC85F80-D605-483B-A17F-77285D5D4068 (full).jpeg. Hauling and moving an extra 200 bales a yr would be a pain. Burkett had the food. Large round corn stover bales typically contain about 8 to 10 pounds of dry matter per cubic foot. }, On average, you can expect to produce 5 - 200 bales of hay per acre, which varies based on the type of hay bales you produce (round hay bales per acre or square hay bales per acre) and a number of other factors, explained below. Thanks Bill for the kind words about my web site and the info you sent. We also bale small squares. 30 miles, we don't waste the time hooking up a big truck. That particular field also ran 80 bu. Just picked up some claas mesh wrap they are 4500meters . I have a 48 and a 53 foot spread axle steps. Most important is what are you making the hay with? To my thinking the range grass hay can only pencil in IF the land cost is not considered a factor. Do the Math for Winter Feed Preparation - Cornell Small Farms Corn stover can substitute for medium quality mixed hay in a ration for wintering beef cows, if a protein supplement such as dried distillers grains (DDGS) is added. thats around a 1800lb round bale. They haul well, the 468 has been an excellent baler. I use a 850 and the only time it rolled out a bale that was a ton the hay was to green to be baling . The local extension office should be able to help you estimate a hay yield for your type of hay and location. Ofcourse you would need to know you max bale weight and probaly vary calculations slighty if you baling wet hay. So things such as bale size,type of hay,moisture content and what kind of PRESSURE and amount of it will determine weight of a rd bale. With some kind of legume growing with the grass will increase the overall tonnage. Most small square bales would lightly cover at least 2x10 ft, but more likely 2x15 ft . "name": "Yesterday's Tractor Co.", The scale never lies. Gonna have the weights on the front when I finish moving the bales off that field! [quote= MNfarmer ](quoted from post at 09:00:27 07/11/10) Don t mean to argue, but when I figured this out awhile back I came up with a couple different figures. Too many think a bale is a bale is a bale. Typically baling about 30 bales per hr on 1.5-2 bales per acre . Doing the calculation C=2pie r using 3' for the r and using 4 wraps per bale it only comes to at the most 20 per roll. Neighbor did a bunch for me last week, but I've been calling them 5(wide)x6's(diameter), not 6x5's. "height": 57 Here is the formula to get the cubic feet of a 6' round x 5' long bale. 5x6 bales are the cheapest way to feed . I'd take that bet up to 30 miles any day of the week. But bale density varies depending on the type of forage, adjustment of the baler and skill of the baler operator. I also assumed a 4x5 had the same volume a 5x4 or was the same size. Take 2000 and divide that by the sqft in a 6x5. brandonh There's something you've failed to include in your Algebra calculations. !.I must have something out of adjustment because when I go under 4 wraps it doesn't cut. Been racking my brain on round bale sizes - Yesterday's Tractors How many round bales per acre can be produced? I'd rather have bigger bales to save on time. An electronic spreadsheet, Decision Tool A1-70, Corn Stover Pricer, is available to estimate a price for corn stover harvested, unharvested in the field or grazed. }, Neighbor did a bunch for me last week, but I've been calling them 5(wide)x6's(diameter), not 6x5's. Yep, and don't have to strap down..seeing is believing. "publisher": { Stuart said: (quoted from post at 21:59:29 07/10/10) Yeah that is news to me, I would of thought that they would be the same. this is the way i see it. did you use this equation? but im not doing thousands of bales per year either. We have a 4x5 baler. Our baler won't make a true 4x5 bale. In Example 6, that was estimated at $5.89 per bale, so the range of values for negotiating a selling price would be $5.89 to $37.40 per bale harvested. actually i do measure. Curious on the number of small squares in the different round sizes. [/quote Makes sense -- When you increase the width, you are increasing one dimension. Shouldn't you be figuring cubic (3) feet? Sell some to some cattle guys and they prefer the smaller as they arent BTO so their loader wont handle bigger. HERE we have our share of growers who put up good looking grass straw, with low feed value. If you're only using them at home, and you have decent roads to pull a 10' load down, there may not be much advantage. I seldom see hay sold by weight as it should be. Now for hay yield it depends on how thick the alfalfa is and fertility. "@id": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/" How many hay bales per acre? - Rainbow Run Farm Although market prices for harvested corn stover are not reported on a regular basis, bales are sometimes sold at hay auctions. They may prefer to sell unharvested stover and let the buyer do the harvesting. How many round bales of hay per acre? - Answers Now chain balers wont pack them very tight, We had a couple of NH 850s and they dont make half the bale that a JD Belt baler does. We grow Tifton 44, Tifton 85, and Coastal Bermuda grass all with no irrigation, fertilize, and dig sprigs off most of it from year to year which sets our yield back but we average somewhere in the neighborhood of 6 tons to the acre. I would probably sell the 48 ft for $14,500. Quiet, they must not know about that here yet. Son wants a 4x6 with net wrap also. So any full size bale 6x5 from a Hesston 560 should atleast weigh 2000. The actual price paid may be negotiated somewhere within this range. Weight (pounds) = diameter (inches) x diameter (inches) x width (inches) x .005, Large square bales have been estimated to contain 10 to 12 pounds of stover per cubic foot. Here is the formula to get the cubic feet of a 6' round x 5' long bale. in 1955 people would pay $0.50/bale of corn shucks, but would not pay $0.75/bale of alfalfa hay. Gonna have the weights on the front when I finish moving the bales off that field! This is an example of elementary math. Also, all hay in the field will not weigh the same due to moisture content. The more pressure exerted on the hay by either spring,air bags or hydraulic tension will increase the weight also. No if you set them on a semi and drop deck you had better be permitted, flagged and every row strapped. As per the general rule of thumb, a person can get 4 to 5 round bales from one tonne of hay given that round bales weigh 40 to 45 pounds. Most loads are 30 miles or less, what works the best? take a 910lb 4x5 roll and didvide it by say a 50lb sq bale and you get 18 just drove side by side with my dads NH round baler and me with my 346 JD square.My squares are 39-44 inches long and about 65-75 lbs.There are 28 of my bales in his Big rounds I asume a 5x6 just drove side by side with my dads NH round baler and me with my 346 JD square.My squares are 39-44 inches long and about 65-75 lbs.There are 28 of my bales in his Big rounds I asume a 5x6 see you can get pretty close with these. "@type": "WebPage", Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V. We are looking into buying a new baler with net this winter and can't decide on a JD 468 or a JD 568. Dang it.how did I forget that? 30 lbs. There is no way a chain baler will pack them that tight.Until I see a weight slip I will not believe it. Some auctions report prices on their websites, which can be located by searching on hay auction. Recent auction prices in Iowa for large round bales of corn stover have ranged from $30 to $40 per bale, with some sales as high as $45 per bale. The more hay pressed into a cubic foot, the more dense it will be. Ended up buying a 2 or 3 year old B740 eventually. "It's been amazing," said Kyle Fontenot, regional agronomist for Bayer, in Louisiana. "logo": { Around our TX A&M U they receive a little more average annualrain than they do around Portland or Seattle. All 5x6 round bales are hauled 2 wide on top and bottom here. Economics of Harvesting and Transporting Corn Stover. I agree with the financials of your neighbor. How many acres do people need for a round Bale of hay? Hauled 23 bales most time. For short distances on town roads the overall width is not an issue. "@type": "InteractionCounter", My share cropper puts up 1800# Bermuda, Teff and oats bales. Currently hire someone to haul them on a flatbed truck. But given you're looking to be selling them, etc., a 4x5 or 4x6 is the most efficient way to move hay in a round bale. We can make full 6' bales but they are too tall on a semi and too hard on the belt lacings. Even in the same size bale, bale weight can vary widely. Curious on the number of small squares in the different round sizes. Make sure to convert feet and inches into decimel feet also. On the other hand, the value of corn stover to the processor will depend on the costs of operating the plant and the price of substitute feedstocks. Less waste with bigger bales stored outside. There is no way a chain baler will pack them that tight.Until I see a weight slip I will not believe it. Help am I doing something wrong show me my error please. Seems he should have straped every bale on a dump wagon and the guy is getting tired of complaints about farmers and ranchers. I use a 850 and the only time it rolled out a bale that was a ton the hay was to green to be baling . Price per ton Our loader is rated at over 2k lbs so a 1400 pound bale is no big deal for it. We thought 4' is better to load on wagons for us since we have older 7' wide wagons and have added a couple 8'x 20'. Knowing the tons of dry hay you need, you can work out how many acres you need once you come up with a dry hay yield per acre for your area. West Central Wisconsin We are needing 800 baled of corn stalks this year. Jaime Beamer May 3, 2022 0 4,135 7 minutes read One of the most common questions we hear from clients is thinking about achieving hay independence, "How much hay can I expect from my 'x' acres?" Although we would like it to be something like this, if there is a simple The answer to the question, not at all. We have a 5X6 Baler because we make less stops in the field to wrap. If you store the round oudside uncovered figure about a 20-30 percent loss in nutrient value compared to barn-stored sm sq bales. 5x6 seems to be used mostly out west. I had no low bridges or overpasses to contend with. How Many Small Hay Bales Equals One Large Round Bale? (based upon 8 lbs/cuft density) and the length staying at 5'. AT TAMU a half inch of rain may fall in less than 15 minutes. 2. Okay guys, I will put my engineering skills in on this one. What do your hay bales weigh? | Hay and Forage Magazine I get 175- 200+ on a 569. I'll humor you one more time. Having had a JD530 5x6, the only reason I'd want anything smaller would be if I were downsizing to a small operation with small equipmentwhich I have done upon retiring. It is based solely upon moisture content and pressure. Processers who wish to utilize corn stover for producing biofuels or other products generally will pay a higher price in order to assure they receive clean, dry material in timely fashion. Don"t mean to argue, but when I figured this out awhile back I came up with a couple different figures. This impacts how much grass you have to bale per acre. Equation: Estimated 4 tons per acre yield of 16% moisture hay at $200 per ton = $800 per acre value for all three cuttings; minus buyer's cost of harvest and weather risk at $324 per acre assuming three cuttings (Table 1); equals the buyer's maximum pay price: $476 per acre for three cuttings ($800 - $324 = $476). Your formula is wrong,,,circumference= 3.14x radiusx radius. $150.00 per ton. Seems like everyone else in the area runs a 5' wide baler. We wrap all our alfalfa for the dairy and early grass for beef and dry cows make them 54 tall the right size for us. Dont know bout the protein. actually i do measure. We big square everything. But each bale size has a maximum volume. Lighter and easier to handle with a small tractor, transport and more probably more profitable as customers tend to think in terms of $$/bale rather than $$/ton. We figure 8 5X6 rolls per ace per year, however, fertilizer and rain can make a big difference. "userInteractionCount": 24 Would take over 2x as long to load and strap all the bales. The difference is up there it rains a nice half inch of rain over a three day period. If hay is priced at $100 per ton, the cost is $37.50 per cow per month, so each acre of stover grazed replaces $18.75 worth of hay. Trying to figure how much grass hay acres to rent for 2018 as I have never did hay before so how many acres would sustain a herd of 22 cow-calf cows for the winter, Ive seen on here before to figure 1 round bale a month. A couple of reasons. Here is a link to a chart showing averages for different types of hay. "interactionStatistic": { Yeah that is news to me, I would of thought that they would be the same. I may have an adjustment problem because if I go below 4 I seem to have a problem getting it to cut automatically. Just because that bale chamber is that big doesn't mean the bales are. Extra trips are extra trips. Around me here in North-Eastern Iowa 95% of the balers are 5 foot wide balers. One is Im feeding goats and like the smaller bales for them. With the new balers 14.5lbs c/ft is achievable. I like 4' bales for our feeding , but we aren't wanting as much hay fed at a time as others. I took a couple of bales from our 850 once to town to weigh them and the most they weighed is around 1500 lbs. The number you show are cubic feet and not square feet. Height (diameter) first then width. Speed of the tractor when baling plays into it big time. Also feeding these bales recently. That particular field was (in 1998) Climax Timothy. If you store the round oudside uncovered figure about a 20-30 percent loss in nutrient value compared to barn-stored sm sq bales. I'd suggest you check the length of the rolls you are looking at because I recall the length of the roll I bought being something like 6500 ft long. So, take the 141.3 cu/ft x 8 lbs = 1130 lbs per roll. Tom Take 4 of your 5 ft diameter by 4 ft long bales at random from around your hay field, load on trailer, take to town, and weigh them, divide by 4 to get the ACTUAL weight per round bale. Tom-TX said: (quoted from post at 10:10:34 07/12/10) If you store the round oudside uncovered figure about a 20-30 percent loss in nutrient value compared to barn-stored sm sq bales. RE: round bales per acre - dittfarms: 2/23/2019 18:48; If you have a 500 lbs right in the bucket it is easier to lift than 500lbs hanging 10 feet out from the bucket. How Many Round Bales per Acre Can Be Produced? - Keeping Pet Our smaller mixer really can't handle a bigger bale without it spilling over the top. Gonna have the weights on the front when I finish moving the bales off that field! 260 Heady Hall It is not always convenient to weigh large bales, so corn stover is often priced by the bale instead of the ton. We can make full 6' bales but they are too tall on a semi and too hard on the belt lacings. What would you estimate rd bales of hay stored outside for 2 yrs would lose in protein or rfv? You mention square feet? Yes according to Deere in there brochure the 4x6 is 100 lbs heavier if I remember right. The feed gets put up as either silage, baleage, or idiot cubes. We do sell some at times , but we also feed considerably less hay than many with 5' wide balers on here. and if you figure out how much your round bale weighs you can tell how many square bales it has. I'll second that. "url": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/graphics/smllogo.png", i think i covered that in my original post :) but thanks i think i covered that in my original post :) but thanks Don t mean to argue, but when I figured this out awhile back I came up with a couple different figures. ft. (2000/141.3=14.15) That tells me the average weight per sqft is 14.15lbs. It gives us up to 12ft for the double dump trailers. Now chain balers wont pack them very tight, We had a couple of NH 850s and they dont make half the bale that a JD Belt baler does. It is based solely upon moisture content and pressure. ft. A 560 will bale up 75in i believe it is. Keep it a couple inches off the ground and it's low enough to unwrap. of P and 15.2 lb. If the stand of alfalfa is only 50% and you won't fertilize it then it may take around 22-25 acres to get the 95 tons. 5x5 for resale, 5x5.5 for myself. I took a couple of bales from our 850 once to town to weigh them and the most they weighed is around 1500 lbs. So, take the 141.3 cu/ft x 8 lbs = 1130 lbs per roll. Wanted a 5x6 but needed a baler that day so we took the 4x6. i would like to know on a - Ask Extension If a typical large bale of corn stover weighs 1,500 pounds (0.75 tons), then the value per ton can be multiplied by 0.75 to arrive at a price per bale. So an average 4x5 from my baler should weigh (62.8x14.5) 910 pounds. Have had a 4x5, 5x6, and currently a 4x6. And if you are like most guys around here and bale your rounds wet and leave them in the field for a few months by the time you remove the rot and the molded hay you have no square bales in it.. . My last two balers could make 4' by up to 6' diameter but I like to only make them 5.5'. Found it was actually faster, in my situation, just to spear them one time and use the tractor to carry 2 bales at a time from field to shed or row storage. About $.50 for twine vs. About $3 something for net. ft. Hope this helps.[/quote. Hauled 23 bales most time. Set the monitor at 70" for dry bales so they don't go oversize if I can't stop the tractor quickly enough in heavy windrows. i would like to know on average, how many round bales being a 5x5 will be produced per acre on a 50 acre timothy and Johnson grass field that is limed every 2 years and fertilized about every 5 years. Sometimes it is easier to bring the cows to the stover than it is to take the stover to the cows. What this is saying is hay with 7% CP will use 22 lbs N/Ton for an annual yield of 2 maybe 2 T/A. I took a couple of bales from our 850 once to town to weigh them and the most they weighed is around 1500 lbs. I would like to use more netwrap but can't seem to make the math work. Then there is the people that say I got a deal on some $20 bales. The cost to rake is slightly higher than the heavy yield. If the. It's a 4' wide and can make a nearly 5' baler. Table 1 shows two recommended rations, with and without corn stover, for 1,200-pound and 1,400-pound beef cows. This is a net wrap sold at a local feed store. Also, all hay in the field will not weigh the same due to moisture content. A Atimm693 Well-known member Joined Oct 14, 2016 Messages 1,156 Reaction score 474 Jul 4, 2019 #2 Vermeer 604 Pro, 10-35 depending on windrow size and crop. "@type": "ImageObject", 30 lbs. PDF Bale Weight: How Important Is It - Texas A&M University It's amazing how much time we are saving with ours though. William Edwards, retired economist. The axles are slid way under them. What is the cost to the seller of harvesting the stover and replacing lost crop nutrients? I for sure know who is burning more fuel and if I'm going 10 miles I don't worry about straps. Here's what I cam up with: H-W sqft 4x4 50.2 5x4 78.5 6x4 113 4x5 62.8 5x5 98.13 6x5 141.3 That being said you can get a good idea of your bale weight if you know you max bale weight of you baler. Many people forget that with wide bales there is more weight further out in front of the tractor or skidloader giving the impression of a heavier bale. How many bales? | CattleToday.com - Cattle, Cow & Ranching Community Typically 2 13ft swaths raked together. No rain = no 2nd cut. soybeans when those particular crops were in it. They seem to fit more efficiently in some of our storage spots which was just a lucky unplanned bonus. For instance, is the land fertile? wheat and 60 bu. The next season all those 3 things headed down the road mangled, baler had a lot of bearings replaced during that season as well. proof right there see you can get pretty close with these. NH round baler and me with my 346 JD square.My squares are 39-44 inches long and about 65-75 lbs.There are 28 of . This value would have to be discounted by the cost to the cattle producer of transporting the bales to the site of the cattle. The majority of storage and feeding loss occurs in the outer 6 inches in a large round bale. Run a 5 ft baler and make my bales just a shade under 6ft tall. Ofcourse I been working on how many square bales in a round bale. That being said you can get a good idea of your bale weight if you know you max bale weight of you baler. Wraps 300 hay or 200 straw give or take . Bales are 5x6 net wrapped. As with any market, though, a price must be determined. - Quora Answer (1 of 5): A difficult question to answer because of many variables. Just used a 52 ft flatbed 102 inch trailer. What is stover selling for on the market. --->Paul lol yea cubic ft. You know what I meant! The 4 ft. width by 5 ft. tall bales had a volume of 75 cu. "author": { Now chain balers wont pack them very tight, We had a couple of NH 850s and they dont make half the bale that a JD Belt baler does. Is it clover alfalfa a sown grass or wild pasture grasses? For stover to be suitable for conversion to biofuel, it must also be kept dry. But I never rolled on that tall. I've talked to guys with 5wx6h bales that are only 5'6'' tall and that last six inches is everything with talking about volume on a cylinder shapped object. The total cost per bale represents the minimum amount the crop producer would be willing to accept, and the feed value represents the maximum the livestock producer would be willing to pay. bales especially round bales can have a large range of weight depending on the size of the bale and the tightness of the bale. Here our annual forage yield is not proportional to the above average rainfall we may receive. I would like to use more netwrap but can't seem to make the math work.Help me see what I'm missing. I havent done the math, but wouldnt you get more weight on a truck with 4x5? "@type": "Person", take a 910lb 4x5 roll and didvide it by say a 50lb sq bale and you get 18, just drove side by side with my dads NH round baler and me with my 346 JD square.My squares are 39-44 inches long and about 65-75 lbs.There are 28 of my bales in his Big rounds I asume a 5x6, see you can get pretty close with these. Furthermore around here even in the country we are required to strap at very minimum front and back and every other row thru the middle. #1 What baler, what bale size, and how many can you make per hour? This just a really close edjucated guess for bale weight. 34 on a trailer gets you a full load. I keep telling Adam we need to build a 102 inch wide baler that is 6ft---8'6"x72" that way we can just stackem on the semi or trailer and less time bedding or tub grinding-with the machines we have today it would be easy-instead of the barn taking 10 bales of 5x6 we could go 5 bales-maybe marry two 4ft balers together -with 8ft pick up-look at the round cotton bales maybe something like that-I think for corn stalk industry you would have buyers galore-make it one wide belt with no gaps so you don;t lose any alfalfa leaves baling hay and belts would not twist->. Fair few 4x6 balers, but most are just making 4x5 with them. Viewing a thread - Acres of grass hay per cow - AgTalk They type of wrap you use will also make a difference. At 5'10 there is only 106 c/ft so you lose almost a 100 lbs in 2'' of height when the bale is bigger. Here is a link to a chart showing averages for different types of hay. (based upon 8 lbs/cuft density) and the length staying at 5'. To compliment this we have a good share of hay buyers who have not a clue what good nutritious hay looks like,let aloneit's true worth.
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